and the obama administration, and core author of the comprehensive national cybersecurity initiative, which many of you are familiar with, and her plea, what she talked about was she's been at this since 2008, like many of us, and she's been kind of taken aback by the lack of an international strategy that the united states seems to be pursuing, and i think it's intriguing to hear what you have to say, what you guys think as a group. you raised the i.t. issue, sort of like the quiet negotiations that jim's been involved with, but what do you, as a group see, as the best mods -- model for an international set of standards, norms for convention heading towards as part of the information sharing. if you're a fortune 25, you're acting all over the world under a range of information sharing issues, not just the united states. curious to see what the brain power on the panel thinks. i hope you look at the cyber playbook because many issues raise r raised here are discussed in the there. >> i'm positive about this. remember that keith alexander is an army general, and when he wakes up, he r